Forum

Hajimari playthroug...
 
Notifications
Clear all

Hajimari playthrough topic

97 Posts
7 Users
0 Reactions
6,081 Views
JumpyJunpei
Posts: 249
Member
Topic starter
 
Posted by: @yotaka

...aaaaalmost able to catch up on the Chapter 4 stuff, got less playtime this weekend than I was expecting and the Corridor proved a huge timesink. I've started the Cedric episode but haven't finished it.

Spoiler
Episode
Cedric getting killed by Gilbert's joke Craft. Somehow that just seems perfect...

Also, the Dudley/Machias Episode? Best thing ever.

Get back to the side story, Yotaka! Go on, get!

Spoiler
Justice bros
And yeah, as the realization started to dawn on me what was going on, the thought of the inevitable appearance of a certain someone had me cackling. And it didn't disappoint!

 

This post was modified 4 years ago by JumpyJunpei
 
Posted : 15/09/2020 12:01 am
Wuolong77
Posts: 128
Member
 
Posted by: @jumpyjunpei

Spoiler
Yeah, I have no expectations of it either. I think what bothers me more than the Osborne assassination attempt is all the stuff the ILF did prior to that. All I really want is an acknowledgement from someone in power that he's being allowed to go free thanks to everything he's done since, like was done with Richard.

Spoiler
CS2, CS3
Yeah, I'm in complete agreement here. Relating to this, there's this article in the Imperial Chronicle of CS3, issue number 8 about Douche Cayenne's sentence. What I find interesting is that the 'waging of the [civil] war itself, excluding the pillaging and slaughter' is not considered a crime, which basically clears most provincial military personnel from any guilt/responsibility. Though the wording seems to indict Helmut Albarea's order to burn down Celdic. I don't think it alleviates any of the terrorist acts committed by the ILF, though at this point in the timeline, Crow's still legally dead.

Also interesting that the destruction of Garrelia is laid at Cayenne's feet. The article insinuates that Crossbell's independence declaration and asset freeze by Dieter were all coordinated. Considering that in the beginning of CS2, Crow talks about the comparative power-level of Ordine vs Aion-alpha, it seems that Douche Cayenne and the Crois were in cahoots from the beginning. Well, I guess Ouroboros served as intermediary.

And my Hajimari game finally arrived, after being held in customs for two weeks. I may be late to the party, but expect some more playthrough commentary in the following days.

 
Posted : 15/09/2020 2:08 pm
Yotaka
Posts: 395
Falcom Romantic Admin
 

Might as well put some preliminary thoughts down so I don't create a tidal wave of text when I'm writing my Ch4 thoughts and reacting to others' comments.

Spoiler
Chapter 4 (Rean/Lloyd)
Poor MWL just can't catch a break. The Mishneider fight was about equal parts silly and tearjerking. And then they threw a nostalgiariffic dungeon at us including some old friends from The 3rd. Those mirror fights were creepy and between the Crow fakeout and Rean's reflection going Schwarzreaner on us the tension really ratcheted up before the inevitable mindscrew at the end. I thought I had the mystery machine figured out but... I guess not? Even though it's got all the signs of being a fusion of the different Knights. That left me with more questions than it answered, and Schwarzreaner getting the garbled name is definitely Not Good.

Lloyd's route was a stroll in the park by comparison. Fun to see Mainz again, some great friendship moments, one hell of a reintroduction for Estelle and Joshua and the Moon Temple was gorgeous in 3d. Creepy, but gorgeous. And then the bell started ringing... Wazy, you're a Gralsritter, do your damned job and take care of those things. I'm also very glad I had some anti-Death accessories equipped or that boss fight would have ended pretty quickly.

Both routes end on the same note and are linked, so I'm wondering what Rufus' is going to throw at me.

Spoiler
Chapter 4 C (First part) and crack theory
- This Chapter opened gloriously with Lapis being so excited to relate what happened to her and Rufus at the end of the last one. Apparently so excited this is the third time she's told the story. And then Rufus has to ruin the moment by negating the d'awwwww factor it had because he slipped a tracking device on Lapis.

- That Chapter title. That Chapter title!

- Rufus, Rufus, Rufus, please stop reminding us that you're a smug backstabbing cheating bastard. And while you're at it, stop bullying Duvalie.

- Will the real Arios MacLaine please stand up? Oh, there you are... Guess it's time to break back into this prison we were last seen breaking out of.

- Given the existence of multiple Arios robots and McBurn at least not knowing he wasn't the real deal, I'm beginning to suspect that Falcom is setting us up for a 'you thought you had the mystery solved, lolnope!' moment when we find out that 'our' Rufus is also a duplicate. Aside from being a double-twist it would nicely resolve the question of how you cheer for the guy considering everything he's done. I mean, I love a well-done redemption story myself but I'm not entirely sure I want that for Rufus. He's been more reactive than anything else since it was an attempt on his life that started this whole mess and it's not like he's shown much remorse for anything except in that scene with Lapis back in Chapter 3.

- I'm also wondering, given where I am, if I'm going to break into this prison and find Dieter and Garcia still locked up...

Spoiler
Chapter 4 Corridor
- They seem to have really front-loaded this dungeon when it comes to the insane bosses. Matteus and Orie weren't too bad and neither was the funky mecha at the end, compared to the CUBE with its 'HP to 8' spamfest. I'm worried that the other shoe is going to drop.

- These Episodes were a lot of fun and a nice way to bring in the Branch Campus characters without needing to find roles for them in the main plot. Wasn't expecting Emperor to show up in Team Big Sis' story like that, some surprising political stuff came out in the quartet's story and like I said, Super Justice Bros was glorious.

- And then there's Cedric's episode, in which I ended up getting murdered by Gilbert's joke Craft. Somehow that just seemed perfect, but alas I retried to finish it properly and it looks like he's now Enforcer XIX. I'd expected XVIII but he fits a reversed The Sun too so it all works out. I'd also be quite surprised if he isn't one of the people they add in the October expansion since he's already fully set up as a playable character.

- ;New Orbal Gear Development Project (Part I)'?! Oh no, oh noooooo... I wasn't expecting that at all. Erika continues to be overprotective, Tita takes Mint's ideas seriously (Aidios help us all) and... it works?! Oh wait, what's Emperor doing here too? And why did he swipe that flight orbment? Guess I won't know until whenever the second half unlocks. Please oh please let the reward for this be a reskin of the Orbal Gear for Tita, even if it doesn't change her performance.

- Project Tryfing was fun but the controls took some getting used to since the dash and rifle buttons aren't the most intuitive and the response time is a bit slow. Surprise cameo from Laura at the end there too. Guess she's decided that she won't be a Proper Erebonian Blademaster until she can wreck things in a giant robot too, like Aurelia.

- Oh, speaking of which that's who I got for my third character pull.

 
Posted : 15/09/2020 5:12 pm
Posts: 152
Member
 

@wuolong77

Yay, grats! Maybe I wouldn't know seeing as I'm not even playing it and nobody mentioned it, but I'm just getting vibes that it's most, if not everyone's fave Sen game so far =P. Hope you love it too.

 
Posted : 15/09/2020 5:20 pm
Wuolong77
Posts: 128
Member
 

@Ghaleon

thanks. I'm enjoying it immensely.

Here are my impressions of the Prologue btw. Playing on nightmare. After doing the same with CS3 and 4, I couldn't bring myself to chicken out.

Spoiler
Prologue

While reading the introductory narration, there's something I have to ask: there's one line when the Erebonian military remnants are called 親衛隊 once, which is the Taiwanese and according to wikipedia also Japanese term for the German Waffen-SS. I remember how in CS4, Kurt also used this term once during the first Crossbell section right before new Class VII meet Eugent at Ursula and see Rufus and Vandyke exit the car. Is this also used in the original Japanese?

Stripperific outfits aside, the dance scene with the princesses of Sun, Moon and Star brought a tear to my eye. Seeing Illya all healthy is awesome and Rixia's voice actress nailed her lines. She sounds happy, but also vulnerable as if she can't believe this moment is really happening. And then we have Sully sounding all confident while standing between two athletic titans. The little pickpocket from North Ambria has come a long way.

Seeing Sergei in 3d is weird. But I do like his look and voice. It's so un-anime in a good way.

And Zeit arrives to save the day, nuking a Zaubersoldat like a boss.

Juna shows off her mech piloting skills, learned from an Erebonian military academy. Oh, the irony. She also speaks her countdown entirely in German, lol. Considering that Erebonia is fantasy-Prussia, I wonder if this is a sign of 'Miss-I-want-my-Crossbell-back' going native.

The SSS breaking into Orchis Tower is a nice example of how Zemurian tech is constantly improving. Back in Ao, the ILF and the Calvardian terrorists didn't manage to defeat the glass with their aircrafts. To be fair, they weren't willing to ram their vehicles into the building unlike Juna, but still...

Also, I like how Tio cast a barrier around the mech to protect her teammates from the air drag. I'm a total sucker for these kind of little touches which show that characters are subject to the laws of physics. Of course we all know that Falcom throws physics out the window when Rule of Cool comes knocking.

Of course Tio has made a recording of the Arc-en-Ciel performance. Always on top of things, the girl.

Gameplay wise the prologue is pretty tame even on nightmare. Crafts are still king and the Craft synergy between the core SSS members is impeccable. Oh, and that new turn bonus 'Zero Craft' is just begging to be abused.

When Llyod and co finally make it to the top, they present the Erebonian commanders with a power of attorney, signed by the provisional Erebonian government. I mean, the douches obviously don't accept this slip of paper. But considering that Red Constellation presented the SSS with a similar slip of paper back in Ao during the Trade Conference aftermath, it seems like Falcom is on irony overdrive. 

Randy dishing out the verbal roast. "You telling me that choosing the difficult road and enduring hardship to reach a satisfying conclusion is something you Erebonians can't manage? I happen do know a bunch of Erebonians who did exactly that, you know?" (Cue flashback of Class VII)

I guess that big mech is supposed to be romanized 'Asmodeus', right? Subtle, Falcom. Real subtle.

Btw, why are the commanders not participating in the boss fight? Not that it would've made much of difference...

Oh, and the improved character animations are awesome. When Randy gives Juna a head rub or that brofist with Llyod while he sports that cheesy grin - it really makes him come alive.

 
Posted : 16/09/2020 10:23 pm
Hellseye
Posts: 79
Kiseki Crack Editor
 

@wuolong77 Just warning you. Hajimari is a lot harder than Sen 3&4. There still are overpowered builds but most of them rely on quartz and accessory that cost a ton of U-mat (The cast time one is 999 U-mat).

 
Posted : 17/09/2020 12:52 am
Wuolong77
Posts: 128
Member
 

I've heard about the spike in difficulty. But Sen3&4 became a walk in the park once I hit the half or two-third mark of the game. There wasn't even any need to use OP strategies like Moebius or Chrono Bursting(which I heard has been nerfed in Hajimari) or Evade tanking. Unlike Pre-Sen games, the warning for nightmare still doesn't contain any lines about only doing it for Newgame+. If it's really so much harder, then I hope the game finally force me to abuse all the available tools to it's fullest. 

 
Posted : 17/09/2020 4:59 am
Yotaka
Posts: 395
Falcom Romantic Admin
 

Finished the end of Chapter 4 and into what's beyond. I'll need a while to compose my thoughts on the rest of it.

Posted by: @wuolong77

@Ghaleon

thanks. I'm enjoying it immensely.

Here are my impressions of the Prologue btw. Playing on nightmare. After doing the same with CS3 and 4, I couldn't bring myself to chicken out.

Spoiler
Prologue

While reading the introductory narration, there's something I have to ask: there's one line when the Erebonian military remnants are called 親衛隊 once, which is the Taiwanese and according to wikipedia also Japanese term for the German Waffen-SS. I remember how in CS4, Kurt also used this term once during the first Crossbell section right before new Class VII meet Eugent at Ursula and see Rufus and Vandyke exit the car. Is this also used in the original Japanese?

Juna shows off her mech piloting skills, learned from an Erebonian military academy. Oh, the irony. She also speaks her countdown entirely in German, lol. Considering that Erebonia is fantasy-Prussia, I wonder if this is a sign of 'Miss-I-want-my-Crossbell-back' going native.

Gameplay wise the prologue is pretty tame even on nightmare. Crafts are still king and the Craft synergy between the core SSS members is impeccable. Oh, and that new turn bonus 'Zero Craft' is just begging to be abused.

I guess that big mech is supposed to be romanized 'Asmodeus', right? Subtle, Falcom. Real subtle.

 Glad you're enjoying it so far! And what did you think of the very end of the Prologue? xD

Spoiler
Prologue responses
In Japanese 親衛隊 can be used in the more generic sense of 'bodyguards' and it's part of the term translated as the Royal Guards in Sky (王室親衛隊) with the shorter word also being used frequently. The word in Japanese has been applied to all manner of historic bodyguard units from the Praetorian Guard in the Roman Empire to the modern Republican Guard in France.

That said, it's possible that its particular use in relation to the SS in Nazi Germany was intentional or at least serendipitous.

- Probably just Falcom deciding that using German would sound cool. Kurz (or Kurt in localization) from Liberl uses random German in SC when he's pretending to be a jaeger including counting up to three, so funny as it is I wouldn't read too much into it. As opposed to all the other stuff in the game that you can totally read too much into. xD

- Zero Craft is broken as hell but there are times when it's been a lifesaver on Hard, which has been quite pleasantly challenging for the most part even with all the ways the game gives you to break things. And you're playing on Nightmare...

- In Japanese it's 'Asmodain' which is derived from the alternate name Asmodai/Asmodee, but same demon nonetheless. I have no idea why that rouge N was added to the end of the name, but it's pretty obvious what Falcom intended with that one.

Oh, speaking of things Hajimari, Falcom made a more formal announcement on the stuff that's coming up in the October 1 patch. Since there are some minor potential gameplay spoilers I'll tag it.

Spoiler
Upcoming Content
- The expansion is named 'To the Other Side of the Reverie' and is labeled in one screenshot as 'Extra Chapter', so it sounds like it's being treated as a postgame Chapter unto itself.

- Based on screenshots, the 'Deep Domains' expansion to the Corridor will extend to at least a seventh level. I'm on the Last Chapter and just cleared the third level so assuming that one more unlocks in this one, sounds like at least three new levels getting added?

- The option will be given to raise enemy levels from the fifth level of the Corridor and up, in increments of 50.

- The level cap will be raised from 180 to 250.

- As mentioned before, new playable characters, Episodes and minigames will be added. I'm hoping this includes a post-series 'episode' for Magical Alisa because having just cleared the second stage last Chapter and seeing the preview labeled 'Final Episode' it sounds like there's just one more. I'd be down for more of that minigame.

- Pomtto will have an added 'Endurance' mode and Beryl's quiz game will have 'Maniac' difficult. In The 3rd that was the one where all the questions were insanely meta, so I'm looking forward to that one.

- A new difficulty level for the entire game called 'Abyss' will be added. Falcom really loves playing around with these titles. Ys games have had Inferno and Lunatic, now we've got this. xD

- A collectable book series called 'Sunran, Archer of the Moonless Dawn' will be added. No word on how we'll acquire it.

- There are screenshots showing some of the new Corridor which reveal at least one of the new playable characters, which I'm not too surprised on. There's also a blurb on new Episodes (which I skipped over because I like surprises) and a VM-based minigame in which Wald is apparently teaching us how to be Manly Masters of the Cards. I'm guessing this means more people to challenge and new cards being added.

- At the very end they mention another Episode that will serve as a bridge to the next arc. I didn't look at that in detail either after seeing the description.

Spoiler
Speculation based on the above (spoilers through Chapter 4)
I'm calling right now, Cedric is going to be one of the new characters. He's already playable so it seems like a no-brainer. Also, I'm not surprised McBurn is playable; the way he had a 'II' version of his S-Craft was pretty telling since there's no good reason for a NPC to have that.

Since very early in the process Falcom teased playable Thomas, Kilika and Bleublanc (at the same time they teased McBurn who's now confirmed) I expect at least some of those will be added in this update or some subsequent one. The thing about the Corridor is that it would be really easy for Falcom to add more content on a periodic basis and I expect they'll have at least one more big update like this before the end.

 
Posted : 18/09/2020 12:05 am
JumpyJunpei
Posts: 249
Member
Topic starter
 
Posted by: @yotaka

Finished the end of Chapter 4 and into what's beyond. I'll need a while to compose my thoughts on the rest of it.

 

I'm guessing the conclusion to the C route probably gave you some things to think about!

 

Edit:

Spoiler
C's identity
Huh, I was randomly watching the secene in CS3 where Rufus talks about not being Duke Albarea's son and he totally does the hand-to-face pose (or something close enough to it) that C/Rufus always does in this. Neat little hint.

This post was modified 4 years ago by JumpyJunpei
 
Posted : 18/09/2020 9:28 pm
Wuolong77
Posts: 128
Member
 
Posted by: @yotaka
Posted by: @wuolong77
Spoiler
Prologue

While reading the introductory narration, there's something I have to ask: there's one line when the Erebonian military remnants are called 親衛隊 once, which is the Taiwanese and according to wikipedia also Japanese term for the German Waffen-SS. I remember how in CS4, Kurt also used this term once during the first Crossbell section right before new Class VII meet Eugent at Ursula and see Rufus and Vandyke exit the car. Is this also used in the original Japanese?

Juna shows off her mech piloting skills, learned from an Erebonian military academy. Oh, the irony. She also speaks her countdown entirely in German, lol. Considering that Erebonia is fantasy-Prussia, I wonder if this is a sign of 'Miss-I-want-my-Crossbell-back' going native.

Gameplay wise the prologue is pretty tame even on nightmare. Crafts are still king and the Craft synergy between the core SSS members is impeccable. Oh, and that new turn bonus 'Zero Craft' is just begging to be abused.

I guess that big mech is supposed to be romanized 'Asmodeus', right? Subtle, Falcom. Real subtle.

 Glad you're enjoying it so far! And what did you think of the very end of the Prologue? xD

Spoiler
Prologue responses
In Japanese 親衛隊 can be used in the more generic sense of 'bodyguards' and it's part of the term translated as the Royal Guards in Sky (王室親衛隊) with the shorter word also being used frequently. The word in Japanese has been applied to all manner of historic bodyguard units from the Praetorian Guard in the Roman Empire to the modern Republican Guard in France.

That said, it's possible that its particular use in relation to the SS in Nazi Germany was intentional or at least serendipitous.

- Probably just Falcom deciding that using German would sound cool. Kurz (or Kurt in localization) from Liberl uses random German in SC when he's pretending to be a jaeger including counting up to three, so funny as it is I wouldn't read too much into it. As opposed to all the other stuff in the game that you can totally read too much into. xD

Spoiler
Further Prologue responses
Thanks for the explaination about 親衛隊. I'm still inclined to believe that the relation to the Waffen SS is what Falcom wanted to go for, albeit it's not as explicit as I initially believed. The commonly used term for these bodyguards is 衛士隊 throughout CS4 and Hajimari and the two instances when 親衛隊 was shown, the context implies that the usage is meant to be deragotory. During CS4 Kurt has good reasons to feel resentment towards them as their unit usurped his family's position and he first called them 衛士隊 only to correct himself, while the unit accompanied Rufus who at that point was considered a clear enemy. In Hajimari 衛士隊 was only changed when the narration pointed out that Crossbell's unlawful occupation has persisted for three and half month and during that time, 親衛隊 has entered common usage instead (probably among Crossbellians).

About Juna, I'm mostly just joking around. CS4 has developed her into Estelle-lite which is a good thing in my book, but I do miss her salty attitude from CS3 on occasion. So I was just imagining her being all flustered when someone hypothetically pointed out how she was going natural. Then again, you are totally correct that Jägers (to use the German 'Umlaut') are far more prone to spouting random German bits than Erebonians.

The ending didn't surprise me as I already peeked into the spoiler sections. That underground orbal terminal was suitably ominous though, what with it colored all red and talking about entering second phase of project Babel.

Okay, playing through Llyod route right now, which is going slow because there're so many NPCs and I need to catch them all!!!

Spoiler
Lloyd route chapter 1
This is one continous trip down memory lane. Wazy reminds us once again why he's best troll, taking every opportunity to rile up people in general or about their romantic prospects in particular.

"You [Noel] and Juna are really similar. Both of you are earnest to the point of being a little foolish and you have funny reactions when teased."

Kind of sad that at this point, Juna is far more fleshed out as a character than Noel. Then again, they have quite some similarities, too. Okay, from today on I consider Juna an EstellexNoel hybrid.

Randy and Mirielle. I feel the love in the air.

Sergei and Sonya, huh? Wazy is of course quick to remind us that they are ex-husband and wife (that scene back in Ao when Douglas told the SSS about their relation was funny as hell) and cue Sonya deflecting Wazy's trolling like a pro. Thinking about it, Sonya gives me similar vibes comparable to Aurelia. Mature and powerful women with command authority who play pivotal roles in mentoring player characters. (In her case Randy and Noel) Shame that we've never seen her fight.

And is Sergei seriously using a honorific when talking to his ex-wife?

And our beloved Bracer Duo who behave like freshly smitten teenagers despite being a couple for how long now? About five years?

So they are on a diplomatic mission issued by ambassadors Crainagh and Cochrane. And is Josh calling them by their given names? This implies quite a close working relationship. Whatever, I really like the political worldbuidling. Unlike Dieter's independence movement in Ao, Crossbell has Arteria's backing this time and both Erebonia and Calvard are willing to establish embassies here. This is serious. This is big.

Oh my, Shizuku has grown up. I can already picture her leaving a trail of broken hearts once she becomes an adult. And Arios can exchange advice with Rean about scaring off suitors.

Buhahaha!! Did Bracer Scott seriously call Arios his 'senpai' in being a father? I'm so rolling on the floor right now.

Agate and Titaaa, sitting on a tree.... and then came Erika to set things straight.

Tio and Tita are already discussing a fouth generation Orbal Gear. Well, perhaps this iteration is going to be a proper Zemurian battlesuit which won't leave the pilot exposed at the front. And seriously, did Erika just jump about three to four arge from a sitting position without any run-up? I mean, she destroyed a wooden crate with a single tackle in 3rd and apparently has enough arm strength to lift her father off the ground. This is just further proof that she would be viable as a player character. And unlike her daughter she could shoot and punch things to death at the same time.

Elie and Alisa deepening their friendship and they even throw Towa into the mix. Falcom, stop spoiling me!

And here we have the JUSTICE duo. Man, these two could be brothers. Shame that starting with CS1, the Combi Crafts were dropped. If anybody deserve a Combi Craft in glorious 3D, it's Machias and Dudley.

 
Posted : 20/09/2020 10:15 am
Posts: 152
Member
 

So uhh. Ive been reading some of the spoiler posts, no regrets. But i have a question  that is pretty hajimari spoilery I suppose.

 

Spoiler
based in what Ive read. Nobody even mentioned the grandmaster. Is she still virtually non-existant in this game? Do we not learn more about her identity, personality, etc?

 
Posted : 21/09/2020 7:15 pm
JumpyJunpei
Posts: 249
Member
Topic starter
 
Posted by: @ghaleon

So uhh. Ive been reading some of the spoiler posts, no regrets. But i have a question  that is pretty hajimari spoilery I suppose.

 

Spoiler
based in what Ive read. Nobody even mentioned the grandmaster. Is she still virtually non-existant in this game? Do we not learn more about her identity, personality, etc?

Spoiler
If you want to know
She appears in a Star Door 14-style episode, but it's more mystery/world  building than anything else. That said, the story relating to the Corridor doesn't seem to be finished, so we may get more on her in the October update.

 

 
Posted : 21/09/2020 9:41 pm
Posts: 58
Member
 

Hello! Thanks for confirming my registration Yotaka 🙂

I'm also playing through this game and am at the point of puttering around before entering the final dungeon, basically messing around and leveling up/grinding for better gear etc.

Some spoiler comments recopied from my Twitter account (I've been putting everything under fusetter or privatter so I've been really dying to talk about this game.)

Spoiler
General remarks up to last chapter, including some episode content

You can tell this game was influenced by/developed in tandem with Ys IX with the cooperating to get through dungeons etc..

 

Generally this game feels like a belated effort to get some characters back on the rails and in line with their previous characterization after they went badly adrift in Sen. In some cases it's a bit forced (Lechter is hard to salvage, and Rufus is basically a different person) but it's also appreciated, particularly seeing Falcom reinforce that Muller is an active part of Olivier's life. Seeing Muller call Olivier an idiot while slamming through enemy mecha... It's good to have one of the constants from Liberl/Crossbell times back.
 
 
One character who has suffered somewhat despite being offscreen for most of Sen is Scherazard. In Sora she was a frontline Bracer, as skilled as any and smarter than most. In Hajimari she's an NPC because she's pregnant. I mean... I can understand Olivier wanting to protect his cute new wife but... That bothered me a bit and I feel like it's part of the er new and unimproved attitude to girls as of Sen. I don't think another female lead can happen at this rate and that's sad. 
 
 
Her and Olivier's episode was really cute though and it was nice to see Muller snark at full intensity again!
 
 
One thing they've been smart about for most of the game is splitting the characters into small groups so each one gets a spotlight instead of having the Class VII blob speak as one or breaking lines into pieces to share between the cast. Although original Class VII is still mostly not relevant. 🙃 The most important are Jusis, Millium, Gaius, Emma, and Alisa.
 
 
Speaking of which this game fills in a lot of missing elements/possibilities that were very notable for their absence in IV: Gaius and Emma using their powers in military situations, Alisa interacting with Franz and working hard to get Reinford back from under the control of the Workshop/Ouroboros, Jusis interacting with Altina, and so on. It's great at the same time as it's really frustrating because this material should have been in IV.
 
 
Villains.. Generally if you're a recurring character Falcom likes you and wants to redeem you, but frankly I can't see that happening with Novartis. He's just done too much. What was the point of stepping on Renne's Hayworth family button, again? 
 
 
Novartis even threatened to act against them directly and Renne took it seriously enough to use the word senmetsu in response when she hates her title and normally refuses to use it. He messed with Lapis for.. why exactly? And the whole clone robot thing is just awful. I kinda suspect they're going to be a massive element in Calvard. :/
 
 
I felt really bad for McBurn... what a way to find out. 
 
 
I mean McBurn actually turns out to have a surprisingly strong moral code for a guy who is introduced as a pyromaniac lunatic, since he won't get into fights with people who can't keep up with him and even avoids getting into major fights when civilians might be hurt.
 
 
This is probably taking my theories thirty miles too far, but if it turns out that he was chosen to be possessed because he would actually keep the otherworldly power in check instead of just killing people indiscriminately, I'm going to cry. I guess it makes sense now that he was friends (more or less) with Loewe and Arianrhod, the two good members of Ouroboros.
 
 
Since it says he went wandering I suppose we'll see him in Calvard? Towa and Crow are supposed to head east too right... Waiting for December shareholder meeting to see if they announce Nayuta Kai. (I have a LOT of thoughts about the Illusory Hills, the various corridors and gardens, and their similarity to Terra.) This time at least adjust the models so you can see Nayuta's expressions in cutscenes instead of having them covered by the armor 😭
 
 
Speaking of Ouroboros I kind of expected Duvalie to dump them after IV? But seems she's loyal to Arianrhod's path... So long as you're happy sweetie (and to think she annoyed the living blazes out of me in Ao and Sen II.)
 
 
I really don't like what they've done with Ilya. Period. It doesn't suit her at all or express any lingering desires or darkness it's just... Let's forcibly wreck this person and steamroll their personality? And it makes you wonder why they didn't try harder to do it to Lloyd, considering his popularity in Crossbell and 'hero of the resistance' status. Rufus just let Rixia run off with him. 
 
 
It's cathartic to see characters actually participating in the battles and to see ideas that were raised and never dealt with in Sen (like Gaius and Emma vs tanks, or to see Randy act as the Red Angel of Death.) But at the same time it's really hilarious that the battles in this weird gaiden incident are more visceral than anything in the World War in Sen IV with its exploding Lego tanks. You actually get a perspective of who's fighting on each side (Harold Hayworth with a machine gun, I'm dead.) It's still so odd they didn't introduce any Calvard generals... I guess in Calvard we'll be told they were on the front lines and we just didn't see them!
 
 
Also I said this before but Falcom badly needs to discipline their staff. Not only is the "Sieg fuhrer" idiocy during Rufus' coup a PR nightmare that the localization staff doesn't need - honestly, having your characters doing anything that could be interpreted as Sieg heiling is an act of marketing malpractice - the camera angles when they introduce Rixia's battle outfit are just embarassing. Respect yourselves better Falcom. Please. Same with Rean and his female students. 
 
Posted : 22/09/2020 7:31 am
Yotaka
Posts: 395
Falcom Romantic Admin
 
Posted by: @jumpyjunpei
Posted by: @yotaka

Finished the end of Chapter 4 and into what's beyond. I'll need a while to compose my thoughts on the rest of it.

I'm guessing the conclusion to the C route probably gave you some things to think about!

You could say that... xD

Spoiler
Chapter 4/Finale (pre-final dungen)
Yeah, of all the things I was expecting, Zemuria Singularity-ing itself as a consequence of all those linked networks and the septium veins getting together and having an AI baby that can calculate the future was not part of it. Though the way that it can reproduce Artifacts is certainly a surprise and explains a few things, if not how Robo-Emperor could be transformed like that as if he were a living being. Reminds me of what we saw back in The 3rd with Loa's Demon Lance though.

(Re)-Liberating Crossbell was all fun and games until the dual boss fight. I was expecting another shoe to drop since the fights were surprisingly easy, even the one against the second Asmodain. So of course we get to fight Ilya with her Deathblow-spammage at the same time as Rufus with his buffing. Also, loved the intercutting between parties as you run into each other, Rufus being Rufus and the return of the New Imperial Picnic Front. And then the other other shoe drops and it turns out the Singularity AI built its own superweapon laser fortress. RIP Juno.

Seeing everyone while running around Crossbell was nice, especially loved the scene between Tita and Erika. Running around and finding pieces of the puzzle with an RP reward at the end felt like Crossbell and the questline to investigate Guy's death all over again.

And then the operation starts while we're on a deadline before Erebonia and Calvard launch their own offensives and oh boy, everyone showed up to help! I wouldn't have minded if Wazy or Gaius had, I dunno, said something like 'We'll have the Heretic Hunter, X and Y joining us' like they did when we first heard about Barkhorn. You can't show off a couple of new Merkabahs like that and not give us something to chew on, Falcom! And then some Ouroboros forces drop in too, on Vita's request. Have we finally found something that isn't according to the scenario in the Secret Dead Sea Scrolls Grandmaster's predictions?

Just inside the dungeon now so I assume I'll finish the game tonight.

Spoiler
Finale Corridor/Episodes
Speaking of lots to do, that was a whole ton of Episodes and some of them were long. I would not have minded a post-match save option for the tournament, but that reward was worth it and went straight on my dodge-tanks. Free damage boost every time they do what they do best? Yes please! And speaking of which, that Rank A reward was another nice one, the Rank S accessory was... eh. By the time I got that I already had one of the uber-Grail Lockets.

Magical Alisa: It was all just a dream... OR WAS IT???! Dammit Falcom. xD

Crow getting his own custom Tyrfing model was not something I saw coming (nor was Gaius being an opponent) and I'm sad that we don't have any battles involving them in the main plot. Maybe we can get this minigame expanded in the update. For that matter, I'd be down for more Magical Alisa regardless of how they ended it.

I could pretty much sum up the rest of the Episodes as 'I loved them'. Between all the callbacks to The 3rd in the Lechter one (with him getting frog-marched back to Liberl to attend the reunion at the end) to finding out what happened to Emma's mother to the antics in Jingo's Episode (and of course Beryl knows what the Happiness Stones are, because Beryl) they were a ton of fun and there was a lot of worldbuilding slipped in to them, especially during the crowning jewel that is the second half of Tita's Episode. Sure, we still don't know why Emperor was running around stealing stuff from the RMP and Tita's experiment but we saw Renne pulling a tea party out of thin air and the glory that was Erika's pre-fight 'warmup', not to mention the ending...

So yeah, been having a great time, just not one where I've been chatty about it. xD

 
Posted : 22/09/2020 11:30 pm
JumpyJunpei
Posts: 249
Member
Topic starter
 

 

Spoiler
Finale Corridor/Episodes
Speaking of lots to do, that was a whole ton of Episodes and some of them were long. I would not have minded a post-match save option for the tournament, but that reward was worth it and went straight on my dodge-tanks. Free damage boost every time they do what they do best? Yes please! And speaking of which, that Rank A reward was another nice one, the Rank S accessory was... eh. By the time I got that I already had one of the uber-Grail Lockets.

Magical Alisa: It was all just a dream... OR WAS IT???! Dammit Falcom. xD

Crow getting his own custom Tyrfing model was not something I saw coming (nor was Gaius being an opponent) and I'm sad that we don't have any battles involving them in the main plot. Maybe we can get this minigame expanded in the update. For that matter, I'd be down for more Magical Alisa regardless of how they ended it.

I could pretty much sum up the rest of the Episodes as 'I loved them'. Between all the callbacks to The 3rd in the Lechter one (with him getting frog-marched back to Liberl to attend the reunion at the end) to finding out what happened to Emma's mother to the antics in Jingo's Episode (and of course Beryl knows what the Happiness Stones are, because Beryl) they were a ton of fun and there was a lot of worldbuilding slipped in to them, especially during the crowning jewel that is the second half of Tita's Episode. Sure, we still don't know why Emperor was running around stealing stuff from the RMP and Tita's experiment but we saw Renne pulling a tea party out of thin air and the glory that was Erika's pre-fight 'warmup', not to mention the ending...

So yeah, been having a great time, just not one where I've been chatty about it. xD

 

Spoiler
Episodes and final chapter

I appreciated Lapis saying Lloyd was the only one who'd be able to get to the bottom of this case. Between Rean's gravity-defying antics in Nord and Rufus destroying his robot-self, it felt like our ace detective had a bit of a poor showing in this game, but he'll show 'em that Bannings spirit yet!

Oh and how about the super badasses deflecting a giant laser with the power of swordsmanship? Top that, Calvard folks!

I'd somehow gotten it into my head that the device Schmidt gave to Tita was some sort of anti-grav artifact (which helped the Orbal Gear fly) that was recovered from the Black Workshop, which in turn ended up being part of the Emperor's set of artifacts and he was retrieving it. Was that not the case?

Speaking of artifacts, if Elysium/Elysion (seriously, which is it?!), could replicate them, did it do that for Olivier's one? If so, was it mentioned where the original ended up? Was it the one in the giant terminal they find, or was that the replica? Aaaaghhh so many duplicates and replicants and fakers running around this game!

This post was modified 4 years ago by JumpyJunpei
 
Posted : 23/09/2020 1:11 am
Page 4 / 7