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Yotaka
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Posted by: @jumpyjunpei

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CS4 ending
Something I wanted to clarify: when Rean expels Ishmelga from his soul and traps him within the Earthen prison, was he also expelling all the gathered energies from the other knights which then fused with Ishmelga's thoughtform to become Ishmelga Loge? The English tranlsation sort of makes it sound like there was already a power within the prison:

"And by trapping that form within the Holy
Beast's prison, we've allowed it to merge
with a tremendous amount of power...
"

Or was it more the case that he expelled Ishmelga which itself had already fused with the power of the other knights?

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It's a little unclear but it seems to be a third option: Ishmelga the entity born from malice (embodied in Ishmelga the Ebon Knight) forced to manifest in a physical form by the mana contained within the Earthen Prison. Osborne sabotaging the final Rivalry by kicking things off early seems (along with Ordine's power sort of doing its own thing separate from what Valimar was actually drawing on) to have given Rean the window of opportunity he needed for his little realization. We also know from an interview that had things gone differently Vita's pseudo-Rivalry could have resulted in the Great One appearing in yet another form, lacking its full power but also not releasing the curse upon the world.

Hajimari provides a bit more material to work with here.

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Hajimari late-game
We get an idea what the Great One would have looked like if everything had gone 'properly' with Zoa Guilstein and it's really scary. It's also quite different from Ishmelga Loge physically which supports the notion that the latter was 'Ishmelga plus a huge mana infusion' but not actually the full power of the seven Divine Knights manifested in a single entity.

 
Posted : 09/06/2021 7:49 pm
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Regarding stigmas; general series spoils
Do stigmas leave a physical mark on Dominions? Wazy mentions the seal appearing on his chest, but I don't recall Kevin mentioning anything like that happening to him. For that matter, does that even mean the seal is still on Wazy? I assume Hajimari has a bathing suit costume for him, but Wazy being Wazy, I'm guessing it's his troll 2 piece again, isn't it? XD

Come to think of it, Gaius definitely has a regular trunks only swimming outfit, and he has no markings to speak of, so maybe that answers that. Of course his situation is still a little up in the air until we see what the deal with Bergard is, so...

 
Posted : 16/06/2021 11:19 pm
Yotaka
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Posted by: @jumpyjunpei

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Regarding stigmas; general series spoils
Do stigmas leave a physical mark on Dominions? Wazy mentions the seal appearing on his chest, but I don't recall Kevin mentioning anything like that happening to him. For that matter, does that even mean the seal is still on Wazy? I assume Hajimari has a bathing suit costume for him, but Wazy being Wazy, I'm guessing it's his troll 2 piece again, isn't it? XD

Come to think of it, Gaius definitely has a regular trunks only swimming outfit, and he has no markings to speak of, so maybe that answers that. Of course his situation is still a little up in the air until we see what the deal with Bergard is, so...

So far there's no evidence that they do.

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Whole series
While yes, Wazy's swimsuit in Hajimari is his two-piece from Azure, based on the illustration in Azure if he actually had a physical mark on his chest it should have been large enough to extend at least partially below the point that the top covers. And yeah, Gaius just wears trunks and has no markings, unless the fact that he manifests his Stigma as a transformation of his spear means that the mark is on his *bricked*

I think what we saw with Wazy was more a visible sign of his Stigma awakening (and then it goes to appearing from his back like normal afterwards) but the fact that the same marking seems to be embossed on the tablet Artifact is interesting. We didn't see anything similar with Kevin and the Spear of Loa.

 

 
Posted : 17/06/2021 4:40 am
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So it seems that the Epic store has revealed 4 games that haven't been officially released, both Crossbell games, Hajimari which has been titles Trails into Reverie, and Nayuta. Zero won't be released until 2022 with Reverie not coming until 2023 according to the current info. I would've made a new thread but wanted to wait until an official announcement incase somehow this is not true.

If true cool, even if NISA's translation ends up being worse than Geofront having an official release is always good. On the flip side, if the release dates are any indication waiting for Reverie until 2023 means getting Kuro is a very long way off.

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 12:43 pm
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If it's true, I'm assuming the reason would be that they want to get both Crossbell games out first and 2023 is the earliest they can get to Hajimari, which is pretty reasonable considering that the two Crosbell games together are a lot of work and you kinda really really want them out before Haji.

Also if true, the fact that we're getting a localization of Nayuta announced on literally the day the game is released in Japan has made my jaw drop.

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 3:05 pm
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Yeah, if Crossbell is getting an official release it makes complete sense to get those out first. Unlike CS 3 and 4, with having a campaign that takes place in Crossbell with a lot of the cast returning you really want to have those games out. I totally understand why it would take time, just a bit harder to swallow now since we had Geofront do so much work for their fan translations. Still, for the broader base it will be more convenient for them with an official release.

I never had any desire for Nayuta but if it does indeed come out it looks fun enough that I would play it.

Edit.

Looking at the screenshots for Reverie, another reason that I really want the game so soon

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Wazy in 3D looks too good.

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 3:53 pm
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That character is, indeed, stupid sexy.

Oh, and I have to say that I really like the title choices. Boundless Trails was the name XSEED gave to Towa's uberweapon in CS2 (which was Nayuta in Japanese) and it's a good translation of the title so that's a good way to make the reference work in localization. Likewise for Hajimari, that wasn't what I was thinking of (I'd have gone with Trails of New Beginnings personally) but it does work pretty well.

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Minor Hajimari
Considering the existence of the True Reverie Corridor

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 4:19 pm
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Haha, this news has me considering if I should just throw up my hands and give learning Japanese a shot. It's scary to think how close to 40 I'll be by the time Kuro sees the light of day here. Just makes me feel haggard and, let's face it, in anime years I've practically got one foot in the grave already!

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 4:26 pm
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I saw that article today too. 2023 is a bit of an ouch, but I can wait still, plus it's nice we're getting the crossbell games too, so I understand they will be hard at work. In fact I'm a bit worried that they will be doing too much work. 3 trails games in rapid succession? Even if Xseed and Nisa did them together I would think that they must have to hire newbies to do the job...

Another consideration is that this was an Epic store leak, which means the games may be out sooner. It's somewhat possible they w ill be out sooner on Steam since Steam is the original pc platform for the series, and Epic is the new kid on the block.... AND, I'd say it's reasonably possible it may come out sooner on ps4. It is a LEAK after all, not an announcement, so it's possible we'll get an official announcement giving us earlier dates for the ps4.

Though it's also reasonably possible not since Sony has a raging hated for anime-styled Japanese games these past few years, and NISA doesn't want to deal with whatever censorship madness they plan on doing. Not that the games are ecchi-oriented or whatever, still. I'm crossing my fingers we'll get a ps4 announcement.

I forget, but the general consensus is that the modern crossbell remakes aren't really anything special if you already played the existing crossbell games right? I probably will buy them anyway, but I may wait a bit. I'm pretty strapped for funds these days

 

edit: I just realized I'm ignoring Nayuta. I don't know that game well, and I'll take a look at it, but my understanding is it's not your typical trails game with a giant script yes? Hence the ignoring about my above concerns =P.

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 4:41 pm
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Posted by: @jumpyjunpei

Haha, this news has me considering if I should just throw up my hands and give learning Japanese a shot. It's scary to think how close to 40 I'll be by the time Kuro sees the light of day here.

Bah, young whippersnapper. I'll be forty by the time we see Kuro in English. ;p

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I forget, but the general consensus is that the modern crossbell remakes aren't really anything special if you already played the existing crossbell games right? I probably will buy them anyway, but I may wait a bit. I'm pretty strapped for funds these days

They have full plot voice acting which the Geofront translation does not by default (but you can mod in the Evo voices so that half counts) and Azure Kai has some extra content tying into Cold Steel (Towa and the Crawfords) but they don't have all the other stuff that Geofront added and they don't look as good. So you get a few new things plus the whole 'official release' and if the platform is an issue then having the titles on PS4 is a benefit to some people.

edit: I just realized I'm ignoring Nayuta. I don't know that game well, and I'll take a look at it, but my understanding is it's not your typical trails game with a giant script yes?

Yeah, from a script perspective it's not a typical Kiseki game. It's about 60% the size of The 3rd's script and that was by far the smallest game in the series. Think of Nayuta as being an Ys game in script size but with Kiseki aesthetics. Or more accurately, a Zwei game with Kiseki aesthetics since it looks, feels and plays like Zwei III in all but name. xD

Which reminds me, I need to go to Tenso and see about forwarding my copy of Nayuta Kai since it just arrived and I want to see if Falcom threw in any surprises.

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 5:04 pm
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Posted by: @yotaka

That character is, indeed, stupid sexy.

Oh, and I have to say that I really like the title choices. Boundless Trails was the name XSEED gave to Towa's uberweapon in CS2 (which was Nayuta in Japanese) and it's a good translation of the title so that's a good way to make the reference work in localization. Likewise for Hajimari, that wasn't what I was thinking of (I'd have gone with Trails of New Beginnings personally) but it does work pretty well.

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Minor Hajimari
Considering the existence of the True Reverie Corridor

Let it be known to the world, top 2 sexiest characters are that one and Olivier. 

Another thing I just thought about, with all the various characters that show up in the game, the amount of voice acting required is going to be a lot. While Covid is slowly going away, I imagine that will take some time, especially getting the voices for characters that didn't have them before. 

After thinking about it some more, I think 2023 release works pretty well for me for a few ways. Gives me more time to take a break before doing a full series replay. It also gives my friend more time to get through the games. We only just about to start chapter 2 of Zero and he still needs to play Ao and CS4. 

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 5:04 pm
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@Yotaka I stumbled onto a comment of yours on an old Endless History article (this one) where you mentioned that Kondo had said in a recent Dengeki Interview that Calvard would be the next Arc after Erebonia. I was wondering if you happened to know which interview that was and if you could possibly provide a link to it? I'd just like to have a source for it, if possible

 

I know he also mentioned in a much later Famistu interview that the series would move to a Calvard or Leman Arc after Erebonia as well. Source: https://twitter.com/Gu4n/status/1022038930886148097

I'm curious as well, do you think Leman and Arteria will be handled together in a single Arc? And since it was said there are 3 more Arcs planned, what do you think the third Arc could be? Ah, I also remember hearing that Arteria was located in Leman, but I also saw others saying it was only near Leman. Do we know for sure which one is the case?

 

Sorry for all the questions. And thank you for any help you can give!

 
Posted : 17/09/2021 10:08 pm
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Posted by: @cold_steel_iv

@Yotaka I stumbled onto a comment of yours on an old Endless History article (this one) where you mentioned that Kondo had said in a recent Dengeki Interview that Calvard would be the next Arc after Erebonia. I was wondering if you happened to know which interview that was and if you could possibly provide a link to it? I'd just like to have a source for it, if possible

I don't remember off the top of my head but I said it was Dengeki there so I'll look through old reports and see if I can find the specific one. I do recall him saying Calvard would be the next arc for quite a while (though he sometimes qualified that by saying it might be Calvard... as if it wasn't obvious that it was) so I should be able to find a source or two for you.

EDIT: Haven't found it yet but I did find a Famitsu interview where he mentions that they were setting up Erebonia and Calvard simultaneously in January of that year (and also that they planned Crow back then) which is also the interview where he talked about some early things that got changed like Orbments originally being called Prisms. I'll keep looking; haven't found anything yet from the right timeframe so it's possible the interview isn't available online and I took it from a print copy.

I'm curious as well, do you think Leman and Arteria will be handled together in a single Arc? And since it was said there are 3 more Arcs planned, what do you think the third Arc could be? Ah, I also remember hearing that Arteria was located in Leman, but I also saw others saying it was only near Leman. Do we know for sure which one is the case?

We don't know for certain that Arteria is located within Leman, no. However we're told that it's small, functionally-speaking it's basically a larger Zemurian Vatican City, it and Leman both are said to be located in 'central Zemuria' and when we see all the forces arrayed for the world war, Arteria and Leman's are part of the same general group and possibly are arriving from the same place (there's four groups named but only three formations), so it seems a reasonably likely bit of speculation but it's not confirmed.

And to answer the first question, I do think that the final arc will be a combined Leman/Arteria and the one between it and Calvard will be 'the East'. My thinking is that we've gotten way to many hints of Important Things going on out there (the desertification phenomenon gets referenced repeatedly, Ikaruga is noted to be based in the east, the Shunran novel from Hajimari is set in 'northeast Zemuria' etc.) and Falcom gave us a map of the whole continent including Not!Japan all the way to the east so there's gotta be some content planned for that part of the setting.

 
Posted : 18/09/2021 4:59 pm
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Shunran novel from Hajimari is set in 'northeast Zemuria'

Speaking of, did we get any interesting tidbits from that novel? Whether it be about that part of Zemuria or anything else.

 
Posted : 18/09/2021 6:13 pm
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Posted by: @jumpyjunpei

Speaking of, did we get any interesting tidbits from that novel? Whether it be about that part of Zemuria or anything else.

Well, a big thing we learn is that the desertification phenomenon hasn't noticeably impacted the region where the story takes place yet. Also, the Matagi are said to have once hunted dragons which is pretty interesting. There's an artifact that shows up and which is composed of two halves that can work independently but form a dangerous weapon when combined, so the Monarch's Regalia isn't the only one that functions as a set. Also, there's a mysterious figure who can freely manipulate rock that acts as the main antagonist and he's only presumed dead at the end but it's not confirmed.

No points for guessing all this will probably come into play in the future. xD

 
Posted : 19/09/2021 4:18 am
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