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Hmm. I guess. She definitely sticks out the most though, not just in CS but zero/ao too.

 
Posted : 10/11/2020 7:58 pm
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CS4 end of Act 2
Prince Albert makes mention of a niece that Musse knows and seemigly Lloyd does as well, but I'm wracking my brain and can't remember who she is at all. Is this someone who ever appeared on screen?

 
Posted : 14/11/2020 2:51 am
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@jumpyjunpei

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CS4, Act 2 end, Akatsuki no Kiseki
You can probably guess from the spoiler tag, but Prince Albert's niece is a party member in Akatsuki called Lif, full name Lifthrasir von Bartholomeus. I haven't played the games, so I can't comment on her character.

 
Posted : 14/11/2020 12:20 pm
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To add to that, while Akatsuki is officially a parallel setting whose events aren't canon to the main games, Kondo has also mentioned that the main cast of Akatsuki is popular and Falcom might wind up incorporating some version of them into the proper games. That little mention is sort of like a teaser since we know who it's referring to but the character in-universe is probably not quite like their Akatsuki incarnation.

There's another (easily missable) nod to Akatsuki with Louise, who mentions that her father works for a particular Remiferian company that's not named but is very strongly implied to be that one.

 
Posted : 14/11/2020 8:28 pm
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Is there any indication on much longer the story for that is going to go on for? Feels like it's been forever, but I guess it only gets updated every so often.

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CS4 Act 3
So one thing I wanted to clarify: The Holy Beast of Fire merged with the previous leader of the Hexen Clan for whom the current Rose was a familiar. So technically our Rose isn't really the Holy Beast, she just inherited its powers? I don't recall if that includes memories too. 

 
Posted : 16/11/2020 1:28 pm
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Posted by: @jumpyjunpei

Is there any indication on much longer the story for that is going to go on for? Feels like it's been forever, but I guess it only gets updated every so often.

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CS4 Act 3
So one thing I wanted to clarify: The Holy Beast of Fire merged with the previous leader of the Hexen Clan for whom the current Rose was a familiar. So technically our Rose isn't really the Holy Beast, she just inherited its powers? I don't recall if that includes memories too. 

Akatsuki is on Chapter 7 right now, based on text dumps from back when it first came out the plan appears to be for a total of ten chapters.

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CS4 Act 3
Roselia is both the leader of the Hexen and the Holy Beast of Fire thanks to the merging. She gained the memories of Holy Beast!Roselia from the mirror in Luna Sanctum along with the responsibilities and powers (which 'Roselia' didn't remember when she first awoke) but being the familiar of the past elderess also allows her to act in that capacity.

 

 
Posted : 18/11/2020 9:18 pm
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CS4 game mechanic questions:

Curious if people know for certain the answers. I can kinda test myself but it would take awhile and I don't want to over-level as a side-effect on my first playthru when it's already getting easier, nor do I want to reset hours of progress =P.

1: delay moves like Arc slash in CS1 were op because there was no resistance to it. In CS2 it was reined in somewhat, but was still about the same in opness if you stacked a delay move with a d elay trinket (like the one sharon gives you), with something like an impede quartz, etc. Even highly resistant enemies could still be delayed pretty regularly with this strategy.

With that in mind is there a similar effect to stat debuffs? Like Altina's Brionac, if I put a quartz that reduces armor (there is one right? I forget. I can think of sword breaker for str, but I can't think off hand one that does defense atm), and use Brionac, will the chances of reducing enemy defenses increase a lot? Especially if I stack it with say a master  quartz that has a similar stat reduction effect, and.. other sources? Not that I'm intending to do this with Altina's entire build, but I do think maybe stacking one thing for Brionac would be nice since it's a pretty good craft that isn't too expensive on CP.

2: Is there a way to resist impede? I've had a few battles such as the centaur magic knight thing in Bryonia island who spams an aoe impede shout if someone is casting, and I had one character miraculously not get interrupted more often than not while my other character never did. I'm wondering if delay resistance or something also functions as an impede resistance.

3: Does anyone know exactly what the formula IS for stacking debuffs against enemy resistance? For CS2, I would assume that if an enemy has 10% delay affliction rate, that stacking arc slash with a delay trinket, with an impede trinket would make the  application rate either 10+10+10% = 30%, or 0.9*0.9*0.9=27% application rate. But I recall that it was really quite high like 80% or something that I didn't get the logic behind. Do you guys think a delay stack build on a delay-craft character is still a good build in cs4? I plan on trying it later on, but not quite yet because I'm still not quite at the point where I can put all the gear I want on one or two characters without leaving the others in the dust, I do like to kinda balance them somewhat, like 6 characters or so, still not the full cast.

 

Story related question for Hajimari

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I remember Kondo was asked about the happiness stone quest from sky 3rd, and him saying something about forgetting about it.. I forget if this was BEFORE or AFTER hajimari...Does hajimari shed some light/sense into that quest from 3rd?

 
Posted : 22/11/2020 11:06 pm
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Regarding the spoiler

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That was before Hajimari but, knowing him, who knows if you can even take what he said about forgetting it seriously.

The Episode it shows up in doesn't really shed light on it, but it appears, so one can only assume there's some greater plan for it. Or it's just gonna be a running gag. Who can say!

 
Posted : 23/11/2020 3:16 am
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Posted by: @ghaleon

With that in mind is there a similar effect to stat debuffs? Like Altina's Brionac, if I put a quartz that reduces armor (there is one right? I forget. I can think of sword breaker for str, but I can't think off hand one that does defense atm), and use Brionac, will the chances of reducing enemy defenses increase a lot?

Status effects are all calculated independently, so if you stack multiple ways to inflict DEF Down, each one gets applied on its own. And yes, there are Quartz for that one, Shield Breaker and... I think they localized it as Qilin. But like I said, it won't increase your individual chances, it'll give you multiple independent chances.

2: Is there a way to resist impede?

No.

3: Does anyone know exactly what the formula IS for stacking debuffs against enemy resistance? For CS2, I would assume that if an enemy has 10% delay affliction rate, that stacking arc slash with a delay trinket, with an impede trinket would make the application rate either 10+10+10% = 30%, or 0.9*0.9*0.9=27% application rate. But I recall that it was really quite high like 80% or something that I didn't get the logic behind. Do you guys think a delay stack build on a delay-craft character is still a good build in cs4?

Delay is an additive thing, where the more points you have worked up through Crafts and any Quartz or other effects, the longer a delay you'll inflict. More in this case is always better when it hits because all the points get added in one sum, so stacking as many Delay-granting effects as you can is a very viable strategy. In CS3 through Hajimari you can't really stunlock like you could in CS1/2 but it's still effective.

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I remember Kondo was asked about the happiness stone quest from sky 3rd, and him saying something about forgetting about it.. I forget if this was BEFORE or AFTER hajimari...Does hajimari shed some light/sense into that quest from 3rd?

As mentioned, it doesn't shed light per se but...

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Hajimari Episodes
The fact that Beryl knows what a Happiness Stone is and is clearly interested in them (and ends up with one) is fairly suggestive.

 
Posted : 23/11/2020 4:34 am
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I guess to summarize it, in CS1&2, delay affliction probability stacks multiplicatively where total delay stacks additively.

In CS3&4, affliction rate still is multiplicative, but delay now defaults to the highest source you have equipped instead of being the sum of all sources. 

 
Posted : 23/11/2020 12:05 pm
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I'm curious, is there any kind of theory out there if someone from one of the fisherman's guild could be a member of Oroboros, or just a theory that there will be more to the fisherman's guild in the future? The fact that it seems the fisherman's guild gets more prominence overtime and the fishermen's side story over the course of CS IV makes me wonder how important they will become over the course of the rest of the series. Probably overthinking things

Crazy theory, the Fisherman's guild is another huge faction like the church or Oroboros, but much more dangerous than anyone could ever imagine. I also predict the final few games will be fishing games with a card game as an optional part.

 
Posted : 23/11/2020 11:16 pm
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Zero/ Cs3 spoilers

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They are already suspiciously prone to attracting villainous professors it seems.Though that may explain where they get all those mega high end quartz

 
Posted : 24/11/2020 5:22 am
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I have a question about the translation of one of Rufus's lines in CS4.

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CS4 Spoilers
So before the Rivalry, Rufus mentions how he wants to be more than just an unwanted bastard child in the official translation, but the spreadsheet version of the line has him talk about how he was heavily praised despite being an illegitimate child and wants to move past that deception. I bet the official translation would be more reliable in general however the spreadsheet translation of this specific scene seems to fit his character a lot better (also makes that scene in CS2 where he responds to Cayenne's comment on Helmut praising him more meaningful in hindsight). His problem is not that he's unwanted but that he feels like his existence as the Albarea heir with all the praise he gets for it is fake and meaningless since he's actually not the heir. Which translation is more accurate?

 
Posted : 25/11/2020 8:02 pm
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Posted by: @brightbrust

I have a question about the translation of one of Rufus's lines in CS4.

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CS4 Spoilers
So before the Rivalry, Rufus mentions how he wants to be more than just an unwanted bastard child in the official translation, but the spreadsheet version of the line has him talk about how he was heavily praised despite being an illegitimate child and wants to move past that deception. I bet the official translation would be more reliable in general however the spreadsheet translation of this specific scene seems to fit his character a lot better (also makes that scene in CS2 where he responds to Cayenne's comment on Helmut praising him more meaningful in hindsight). His problem is not that he's unwanted but that he feels like his existence as the Albarea heir with all the praise he gets for it is fake and meaningless since he's actually not the heir. Which translation is more accurate?

Welcome to the board!

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CS4 Finale
The spreadsheet translation is more literally correct but both convey the appropriate sense of the conversation, that Rufus' life is one way or the other a lie and he's got a pretty nasty self-worth issue because of it which is why he's aiming to win the Rivalries.

Relatedly, the 'unwanted' translation is taken from context; We know Helmut didn't want Rufus but he felt forced to pretend he was his son to protect his precious image.

 
Posted : 26/11/2020 12:35 am
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  • @yotaka Thanks! Yeah, that checks out. I also have a question about Loewe.

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SC Spoilers
Is there meant to be a double meaning for the term "Shura" when it comes to Loewe? I've seen people discuss how its meant to represent how he's walking down a path of carnage and discarding his humanity for the sake of his goals.

However, something interesting I found when I did a little research on the term is that it also refers to warrior gods/demons who fight forever and their realm in Buddhism, controlled by rage and pain (something like that). I'm not sure how reliable the sites I went on were, so correct me if I'm wrong. For Loewe, it creates the perfect irony because he became a "Shura" in the first sense to avoid being overwhelmed by his anger and pain but was controlled by them all along like a "Shura" in the second sense.

 
Posted : 26/11/2020 12:56 am
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