@yotaka "Manipulates entropy", wow I missed that tidbit and arrived at the same destination somehow. Entropy taken to infinity is quite literally the heat death of the universe.
I guess I didn't make it clear enough, but I never wanted to dismiss the other traits, but to merely add something so it fits better with the overall theory. Depression, despair etc. are too prominent to ignore and to return to the Death Tarot, while the upright meaning fits with Shiva's destructive transformation, the reverse meaning of the Arcana falls squarely into the traits that are already being ascribed to Time. In fact, given all the positive attributions to Shiva in Hinduism that I continued to dig out, I started to feel that it would be better not to put too much emphasis on the Indian interpretation.
As for humanity not being appreciative about Death and Destruction, much has been said. My own take is that Death is necessary. I come from the biological sciences and the cycle of creation (or reproduction), maintenance and death/decay is inherent on the micro-cellular level and the macro level (population ecology). Unlimited/Unending growth, which is something of a dominating paradigm in our current civilization as well as the civilization that Zemuria is turning into isn't natural, so even if humanity isn't appreciative of it (which I can understand), that could be taken as a sign of humanities foolishness.
Another addition to the theory. It was mentioned, that Jusis elemental values were swapped between games from double Wind to double Space in CS3. This can also be seen through the lens of Trimurti. During the Civil War, the Reformist faction under Osborne represents Destruction, the Noble Alliance are Preservation. Osborne's faction ultimately won, the old guard of the Nobility under Helmuth Albarea and Crois de Cayenne effectively lost their power.
You have the book 31 Cypress Trees which appears in Sky FC and then again in the 3rd.
You have the association of Time arts to entropy.
Another interesting thing, if you pay attention to the dialog after unlocking the conditions for the final side-quest, it's implied that the Devils are a separate phenomena from the Twilight and the curse. The Twilight is making it easier for them to enter Zemuria but is not what is letting them in. However, the thing that is letting them in must be a spiritual being connected to the goddess. The only thing that really fits that definition is a Sept-Terrion but its not the Great One. It makes me wonder if Devil's aren't unlike Stephen King's Langoliers.
Hi everyone, first post here.
Having finished Zero just a few days ago, I've got lots of things in my mind, but gonna throw just a couple of questions for now:
1)
- Instead of being ambushed by that operation [referring to the raid by Guy and the others], it was decimated entirely by the society that caused the Liberl incident last year...
- Oh, dear, just what were they thinking?
They means the society, not the cultist from Paradise, right? And, if so, I'll echo the question: what was Ouroboros thinking? From Sky we learn that the society sometimes eliminates lesser criminal groups to take over their assets. Was Renne an "asset" they were specifically looking for or was she just an opportune finding? Or maybe there was even a humanitary reason behind their official duty, given how terrible the things happening in Paradise were? We know at the very least that Joshua and Loewe were disgusted by those people.
2)
To your first question, I don't think it's ever precisely stated why, and as for your second, yes, although you'll need to collect some items throughout the game in order to read it all. Well, that or use the wiki!
Hi everyone, first post here.
SpoilerSky the 3rd & ZeroWhen talking about Paradise, Joachim says the following, according to the Geofront translation:- Instead of being ambushed by that operation [referring to the raid by Guy and the others], it was decimated entirely by the society that caused the Liberl incident last year...
- Oh, dear, just what were they thinking?
They means the society, not the cultist from Paradise, right? And, if so, I'll echo the question: what was Ouroboros thinking? From Sky we learn that the society sometimes eliminates lesser criminal groups to take over their assets. Was Renne an "asset" they were specifically looking for or was she just an opportune finding? Or maybe there was even a humanitary reason behind their official duty, given how terrible the things happening in Paradise were? We know at the very least that Joshua and Loewe were disgusted by those people.
Welcome to the board!
This gets answered (sort of) in Ao, it's not really a spoiler for that game, but the answer also involves something from CS3 that's a minor midgame reveal.
SpoilerAo endgame questionIn the fan translation, when Zeit is explaining what attributes Mirage governs, he says cognizance and perception, but he also mentions "karma." Just wondering how accurate that translation was (specifically karma). If it helps, it's when Lloyd's on his back after being rescued and the screen fades to black as Zeit begins the Sept Terrion's backstory. Honestly, that entire conversation was translated so weirdly, I really wish someone would go over it and give it a good sprucing up lol.
This comes up again in CS4 because while KeA no longer has all the powers of Azure Demiourgos, she still has a very limited form of the original power of Demiourgos which lets her see the threads of causality that are directly connected to her.
In regard to the wiki, you need to be careful with some things, especially in regards to Zero and Ao. A lot of the entries were filled out based on details from Guren's original translation which needed like 15-20% completely re-translated for Zero. Ao might actually be worse since 30% of the game was translated by Flame who doesn't know Japanese and the game has been edited so that the obvious errors aren't easy to pick out. Even the official localizations have a few continuity or lore errors here and there which has been made evident by Trails in the Database.
The fact that she could erase herself from existence implies she may have had some influence over the quantum mechanical interpretation of observation i.e. probability manipulation or as Yotaka put it causality manipulation (though I don't like this term because as Gu4n put it all the higher elements can manipulate causality to some degree).
Hey again, I'm re-playing FC and I was wondering was Osborne the Chancellor in the 100 Days War?
Thanks.
The short answer is no. The slightly longer answer is
In regards to Junpei's AO endgame spoiler question:
Maybe I'm wrong but I think people are misunderstanding the question. I get the impression Junpei is aware of the answers in regards to the first two attributes of what mirage governs. I think he is asking about the karma bit specifically. How does karma fit into that? Or is Karma a bad translation? Is there a better alternative to karma?
Hey again, I'm re-playing FC and I was wondering was Osborne the Chancellor in the 100 Days War?
As mentioned, he became the Chancellor the year after the war ended.
In regards to Junpei's AO endgame spoiler question:
SpoilerMaybe I'm wrong but I think people are misunderstanding the question. I get the impression Junpei is aware of the answers in regards to the first two attributes of what mirage governs. I think he is asking about the karma bit specifically. How does karma fit into that? Or is Karma a bad translation? Is there a better alternative to karma?
Bad translation, a better alternative would be 'actions'.
@jumpyjunpei pinging you on this since I see you responded before I edited this in.
In regards to Junpei's AO endgame spoiler question:
SpoilerMaybe I'm wrong but I think people are misunderstanding the question. I get the impression Junpei is aware of the answers in regards to the first two attributes of what mirage governs. I think he is asking about the karma bit specifically. How does karma fit into that? Or is Karma a bad translation? Is there a better alternative to karma?
Edit: It just occured to me that events in the books are always exaggerated, so they may never have actually beaten him at all!
Spoiler3&9With the recent reveal of the Emperor appearing in Hajimari, I'm curious about his artifacts. Do the books go into any detail on just how much he can manipulate gravity? That's...a pretty ridiculously powerful ability depending on how much he can do with it, so I'm wondering how Nadia and Swin were able to even stop him. In my head, I'm comparing him to a Marvel character called Graviton with gravity powers who's absurdly powerful, although he doesn't require equipment to do it. And yeah, comic charaters tend to get pretty wacky with how stupid strong they can be.Edit: It just occured to me that events in the books are always exaggerated, so they may never have actually beaten him at all!
In the story however, there are two big limitations on the power of the Monarch's Regalia. The first is that it's all designed to work as a set and if one piece is missing or taken out of commission, the effectiveness of the whole is reduced. Just before their final confrontaiton, the Emperor lost the orb (which lets the user selectively alter gravity) which meant that anything he tried doing to Swin and Nadia with the mask's power to generate gravitational fields, he'd be subject to as well. He still had the main benefits of the armor and sceptre's powers but the lack of the orb gave the pair a chance they wouldn't have otherwise. The second weakness is that the Regalia's powers don't work instantaneously and there's a slight time lag between the user wanting to invoke a power and the effect actually happening. This was part of what took the orb out of commission in the first place and it's exploited by the pair to defeat the Emperor, along with some clever tricks using both of their skills in ways he wasn't expecting.
Clearly, Swin's speculation that the orb was destroyed wasn't correct (insofar as any part of their final confrontation 'really' happened) since the thing can be seen in the Emperor's hand in that animation. I'd bet there's some truth to the Regalia's limitations as seen in the novel but that there's also some intentional obfuscation in there.
